cosmic design discussion continued..

[Shevy]

smcproductions said:

never mind my earlier statement about not taking into account how vast our universe is, however there is a theory that the big bang and the big crunch (the reduction of all matter in the universe into a compacted singularity) has happened numerous times. so if this is true, out of all the universes that may have been, then maybe that evens the odds a bit? i dont know.

This is very interesting. I remember reading an interpretation of the afterlife a while back which stated that due to the cosntant expansion of the universe inside the omniverse, it can be expected that time will repeat eventually. Because of this, we may be living this same life for the 100th time now...hence "everlasting life".

by the way, is that insanely large number the odds of complex structures randomly occuring, or just life begining on a planet?

That number is based on life on a planet from my understanding.

[Shevy]

smcproductions said:

oh! and real quick, one more thing comes to mind, that there are numerous universes "banging" and "crunching" outside the reach of our own, known as the omniverse. reality as a whole could very well be infinite. it's pretty far fetched, i think but if that were true, it would certainly even the odds significantly.

That's where dimension travel comes into play. Whatever surrounds this dimension of time is at least a start to our origins. I'm hoping life exists in the omniverse as a higher intelligence.

[Shevy]

thrashed said:

there must be somthing out there look at those fucking crop circles. they are way too complex for humans to make. maybe aliens created us. but I don't beleive in aliens that much because if humans were created out of chance, then the chances of another race existing is pretty slim. like 2 races existing is twice as unlikely if the chances of humans coming to existence is as unlikely as shevy said

A buddy of mine insists that humans exist due to aliens visiting our planet a long time ago. While I would love to believe that aliens do exist, I just don't think it is very likely.

Conspiracies about the governments of the world uniting to cover up alien visitations doesn't make sense when you take into account the sea of independant astronomers watching the skies at all times. As soon as they see something, the world is going to know about it. Guaranteed.

[Shevy]

thrashed said:

that's exactly what i said about it being even more unlikley that there's 2 upright races in the universe, however if there was a god that created us he could have created other races too right? I just don't know how nature can form shapes like that plus the shaped seem to mean somthing (for example a picture of the milky way) and they were to complex for man or nature to create imo. Anyway there was this guy my parents knew who was perfectly normal-until he thought he was abducted by aliens. it started when he drove to Winnipeg and he claims he lost count of 3 hours of driving time. he said the trip took 3 hours more than it should have. him and my dad used to go camping all the time and he's afraid of it now, for some reason. he also said he's seen weird stuff in the sky, has had marks appear on his body and he doesn't know what it's from, has had serious sleeping disorders and strange dreams, and other stuff that he can't talk about. Do I believe him? well he was a normal man, with a hot wife (well their devorced now) a good job, and a nice house. he's still pretty normall but when i asked my dad about him he just says he's alright yet he doesn't hang around with him any more

Sounds like a psychological disorder. I've met a few people that appear normal on the outside, but when you get to know them will tell you some absolutely fucked up things about their past.

It could just be that something snapped inside that nice gray unknown in his head. Basically, I don't believe in alien abductions due to the world's use of satellites to closely monitor the world from above. Throw on top of their their use of radar and sky patrolling, and it's very likely that they're going to pick up a space cruiser that's decided to mutilate some cattle or prod some human asses.

Even if they could not do anything about it, it would be safe to assume that they could at least track the victims, study them, and eventually silence them.

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Worrying about any of this is pretty pointless if we're all going to find out in the end anyway.

God or not, we're still here.

[Shevy]

Who's worrying? The idea of it is interesting.

[smcproductions]

yes, i remember stephen hawking saying something about time travel possible through a worm hole. i used to think that time travel was impossible because you can go back in "time" because it's intangible concept we use for measurement, but actually i think what scientists are saying is that it's interdimensional travel. a universe almost identical to our own that's trailing ours. however i dont think you can just go back in time and change your future, since it's not really the same place. your world, if you can get back to it would be the same as you left it.

[sc00ts]

what about the multiverse?

[thrashed]

even if they did find out a way to travel through time it wouldn't likely be would you walk through a machine and suddenly being surrrounded by cave men. it would be very complex. and your right shevy, i'm about 99.9% sure that alien abduction is nothing more than a some kinda sleeping disorder thing, there is this thing, i forget what it's called where you are awake but your body can't move (paralysed) and you can hollucinate thus the little grey men. those marks on his body were from him getting beat around but he's paranoid so he goes thinking the aliens did it. the added 3 hours to his winnipeg trip was from his slow driving. he's been watching to much tv. some folks say aliens are really "evolved" humans from the future and those ufo's are time machines ;D


EDIT: also about the hollucination(sp) thing i'm sure if their was aliens taking people away they would have more facial features than that but since the whole thing is just a phycological(sp) trip, they only see these bug looking things that are of the least detailed colour (gray) it makes since. and those documentaries can make you paranoid as hell i think that's the cause of all of this. but some of those people that say they were abducted are pretty convincing. also scientists are saying now that commets, crashing into earth, brought water, and micrscopic organisms. i don't believe it, but hey their the scientists

[smcproductions]

sc00ts said:

what about the multiverse?

omniverse is a more accurate word. it includes all possible universes.

[sc00ts]

but does it include elric? and prince corum? and dorian hawkmoon?

[smcproductions]

those seem like they would be in the realm of fantasy, which as far as i know ends where the omniverse (all reality) begins.

[Nico Mc Brain]

on a side note, galactus' origin goes way back before the birth of this current univers. As the one before this one was "crunching" galactus was taken from the bossom of creation was reborn as such after the big bang. Well thats what it say in his official origin anyway. On the other hand I dont think a supreme being would create something specific as a biped human. The supreme being would create the nature that would eventually make life that would evolve even with improbable odds that.

[sc00ts]

galactus' role in this has been sorely under-investigated. i would like to hear dr hawking's thoughts on taa 2 and the ultimate nullifier.

[Hell Bent For Karate Mullets]

This is truly inspired. I wonder how we can get an E-Mail to him? I'll look into it.

*part 2*

He has his own website with an E-Mail address right on the contact page. I E-Mailed him a link to this thread and asked for his thoughts on Galactus' role in the creation of this universe and the eventual evolution of mankind.