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Post by Shevy on Dec 15, 2003 5:04:50 GMT -5
I just got this E-Mail this morning...
hello webmaster just recently i was reading something on the slayer
website
and kerry king was claiming up a nu metal band called chimaira. so i
downloaded a song called the dehumanization process and it was pretty
heavy
some of the best double bass i have ever heard. pictures in the gold
room
and pure hatred are other good ones. so the next day i went out and
bought
the cd.
do u rekon u could give it a reveiw i like to hear what a qualified
metal
reveiwer would like to say about it cheers the cd is The
impossibility of
reason chimaira.
Typical cut and paste horseshit spamming review sites to review a shitty band. I'll do this guy a favor, though. I'm not going to waste my time reviewing this gay-ass band, but if anybody would like to E-Mail him back with their own reviews, his E-Mail is: sheepfanny@hotmail.com
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Post by Nico Mc Brain on Dec 15, 2003 13:58:16 GMT -5
Ive only heard one song from them from the jason vs freddy soundtrack and it didnt sound anything that heavy to me.
Ive read alot of reviews on how heavy they are but judging from that song, its not as dense sounding as I would like it to be like say, Strapping young lad. I also like hearing double pedals and so far I enjoy hearing it alot from Gene Hoglan
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Post by toddhascrabs on Dec 18, 2003 7:27:43 GMT -5
WHOA! Daddies got this one. having been a fan of Chimaira since 1998 (saw them live with Fear Factory, Machine Head, and Ill Nino) saw them again this year (with In Flames, Soilwork, and Unearth) and am going to see them again (Stillbornfest Featuring Hatebreed, Chimaira, Sick of it All, Sworn enemy at the Worchester Palladium December 27th). I can review Pass out of Existence AND The Impossbility of Reason. The double bass on both of those albums are very sick! . Some of the best I have heard that are still untriggered. it's even better live. Plus, he playes with bare feet. Now, don't knock Chimaira out just yet. The song "Army of One" on the Freddy vs. Jason soundtrack sucks my hairy balls sideways. Yes, it's that fucking aweful to me but I can tell you that that song is definatly not a representation of Chimaira.
although Chimaira went a little weak on impossibility as opposed to Pass out.
I'll review them some time this week. (Skin Splitter).
P.S. in the meantime. if you like Chimaira and the double bass style. see if you can find a copy of Diecast Day of Reckoning. That's got some good double bass and hardcore tendancies.
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Post by Squiggy on Dec 18, 2003 8:54:41 GMT -5
Hello! Chimaira sucks. Let's blow this popcicle stand, Lenny.
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Post by Nico Mc Brain on Dec 18, 2003 20:43:03 GMT -5
Ok a technical question, whats does it mean when the drum is triggered? Why do they sometimes call it skins, and whats the difference of a drum set and a drum kit.
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Post by Shevy on Dec 19, 2003 5:30:01 GMT -5
1. When a drum is "triggered", it means there is a "trigger" placed on the drums which feeds the sounds through the speakers. This is usually only done with the bass drum, but some bands will trigger their snares, cymbols, etc. You can get some really good speed out of triggered drums since you don't have to hit them as hard but they sound just as loud. This is why some people call it "cheating". The bad part of triggering is it tends to make the sound of the drums more mechanical, like a drum machine. Bands like Morbid Angel, Hate Eternal, and Krisuin are perfect examples of this.
Chimaira triggers their drums all to shit, and they sound abso-fucking-lutely horrible.
2. I don't know WHY they call them skins, however I do know you can get drum skins made from actual animal skin like goats and cows.
3. A drums set vs. a drum kit? I always thought they were the same thing. I don't know. Eviljake would know. He's been playing drums for a long time.
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Post by unclemeat on Dec 19, 2003 6:18:44 GMT -5
Booearns
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Post by toddhascrabs on Dec 26, 2003 13:54:41 GMT -5
There's another way to "trigger". I learned this from a drum major in UNH who played in a hardcore band. He said the way that Fear Factory was "cheating" was because yes they used triggeres (Note: Fear Factory does NOT use triggers live. They just play slower songs). But they also used a double bass pedal with 4 heads. Think of a double bass pedal as being one bass drum, two foot pedals attached together with a rod and a chain, and two "hammer" (the things that hit the drums) on one side. Basically, it's a foot pedal that allows you to get double bass with only one bass drum. Well, if you have two bass drums, and one double bass pedal, you can rig it up so that the double bass pedal has FOUR "HAMMERS". You adjust the spacing between all four to alter the speed, and you have basically "quad bass". This is really the "Cheaters" way out. You think their playing at ripping speeds, and they are only playing half that. The pedal does the other half of the work. A great way to test this is to think of all the bands out there who play nasty nasty double bass. Go and listen to the Slayer song "Reign in Blood" (note, Lombardo did not use triggers or this technique, that was pure skill and continues to be when I was them). Now, when Riegn in Blood kicks in with the main riff, follow the double bass by tapping at the same speed on a desk, wall, cat, mom, whatever. Get used to the speed. Then listen to it again and this time, for every two beats Lombardo does, you hit the desk, wall, cat, mom, whatever, once. notice how simple THAT got! That's what the pedal does, it allows you to do nasty nasty bass with only half the hits/effort. Then think back to those bands with who play nasty nasty bass and try to figure out how "perfect" the double bass is. and also wonder is they can do that speed live without the help. and there is your lesson on double bass by Skin Splitter for the day.
P.S. Like I said before, that's what he said. If it hasn't been invented, then I just revolutionized the drumming industry and i'm going to make them and everyone will know that you heard it hear first!!
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Post by Shevy on Dec 26, 2003 14:56:12 GMT -5
Not being a drummer, I have no idea what those things are called, but I have heard of them before. From my understanding, they were invented because drummers would obviously have a hard time playing double bass and hitting the high-hat at the same time. So this makes it much easier for a drummer to use one foot for double bass, and the other for high-hat.
Whether or not this is actually cheating is another discussion entirely.
Being a bass player, I do something kind of similar to play fast. Since my three-finger technique sucks, to play fast I play a string normally with the pads of my index and middle fingers. If I'm looking for speed, I hit the string first with my two fingers, and then with the tops of my finger and fingernails on the way back up.
If I'm playing clean it doesn't sound that great, but distorted one can't even tell the difference. I can get more speed out of my hands than I can with a pick this way.
Basically, the way I look at it is this...anything you can use to help you play an instrument more the way you want to play it can hardly be considered cheating. If one doesn't mind sacrificing sound for speed, more power to them.
I tried playing my bass with an egg beater before. Sounded like shit and I ended up breaking my G string, but Christ was it fast. If that's what somebody is trying to achieve, egg beat away! Not cheating.
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