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Post by 1:( on Apr 6, 2005 10:59:43 GMT -5
A lot less distortion for one thing.
Also, lyrics about FIGHTING THE MAN!!! URRRNNNHHH!!!
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 11:06:32 GMT -5
i tend to think of PV is being less married to the blastbeat (at least the PV bands i know and enjoy, ie dropdead (debatable), confrontation, saturation, crossed out, mind eraser, neanderthal)
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 11:09:21 GMT -5
Okay, I did some quick reading, and here's what I've picked up...
Powerviolence is basically a faster, crustier version of hardcore. I'm guessing the lack of distortion commonly found in grind paired with a constant tempo will relate it more to hardcore in the first place?
Anyway, it seems like descriptions of bands who are powerviolence are listed as "powerviolence/grindcore"...which is kind of strange seeing as they're so closely related with only a few very dinstinct key differences. A fusion of those differences would turn it into either powerviolence or grindcore depending on which way it turned, I would think.
Another sub-genre I've seen dropped here and there while I was reading is "fastcore". I'm going to have to assume this is the same as blurcore, but I couldn't find a description of it. Anybody have any information on "fastcore"?
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Post by 1:( on Apr 6, 2005 11:14:41 GMT -5
Fastcore. I guess that's music that's fast.
Blurcore? What the hell is that? Music where all the instruments blur together?
What is this mincecore?
Isn't there actually "shitcore" too?
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 11:15:15 GMT -5
powerviolence = fastcore = thrash
these are all just seriously loose terms that bands use to describe themselves cause they are sloppy and want to latch on to the term du jour. they all are basically interchangable and shouldn't be given much thought.
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 11:32:40 GMT -5
Fastcore. I guess that's music that's fast. Blurcore? What the hell is that? Music where all the instruments blur together? You pretty much hit the nail on the head about blurcore. Think early Anal Cunt. Just really fast, sloppy shit that sounds like a bunch of sound thrown in a blender. I'm thinking fastcore is probably the same thing...possibly a little tighter? Who knows... Another one of those "lifestyle" -core's. Agathocles dubbed this one. It's basically crusty/grind with the whole mince message. I wouldn't doubt it, but plenty of lo-fi goregrind and porngrind bands are already into the whole scat thing. It would be sad if there was a band whose lyrics actually revolved around shit...unless it's refering to their musical ability. In that case, I would have much respect for shitcore. Heh. Shitty hardcore musicians. We have a ton of those things in New Hampshire. |
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 11:37:29 GMT -5
bathtub shitter = shitcore/shitgrind
each term becomes stupider than the last
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 11:46:24 GMT -5
I've never heard of Bathtub Shitter referred to has shitcore. They're way too good to be pegged with some stupid sub-sub-genre name like shitcore. Bah!
Top 10 of all time favorite grind bands. Easy.
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 12:11:46 GMT -5
You know what would be a pretty cool project that we could work out on this board is to collect every sub-sub-sub genre of metal & punk, and then collectively define them all using everybody's input.
Once we're satisfied with the results and it's easy enough to read, I could slap it onto a webpage and link it on the mainpage (giving everybody credit that helped, of course). It would be a pretty handy peice of information for any newcomers that are overwhelmed with the hordes of genre's out there.
If anybody is interested, just say so and we can start working on it.
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 12:17:23 GMT -5
i don't think talking about all these sub-sub-sub genres is even useful except as a joke (aka pornographic goregrind). i'd rather someone tried to actually describe what something sounds like in at least vaguely well known terms (punk/metal/hc/crossover/etc) than with all these terms invented to describe one specific band.
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 12:22:16 GMT -5
i don't think talking about all these sub-sub-sub genres is even useful except as a joke (aka pornographic goregrind). i'd rather someone tried to actually describe what something sounds like in at least vaguely well known terms (punk/metal/hc/crossover/etc) than with all these terms invented to describe one specific band. Well, I'm going to have to agree with that...but with all these genre's already in place with seemingly gnostic explanations for each, it could certainly use a little defining. Basically, they're already in place so let's figure out what they all mean. |
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 12:43:27 GMT -5
i think i would argue that they're NOT actually in place... some guy's online distro writes up a dumb description for a cd he's trying to hawk with the term "kielbasa core" (copyright scoots 2005) and it gets cut/pasted into 20 other distro sites and ebay auctions... meanwhile, the band being described couldn't even tell you what this supposed term means, so what's the fuckin point?
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 13:10:30 GMT -5
The point being we could list it like this...
Kielbasecore: Ordinary hardcore, but some greedy exec for X Record Label came up with the idea hoping to cash in on your ignorance. Bands that play Kielbasacore: Buddy Pollock & The Polish Sausage Bridgade...and that's fucking it. This genre is a joke.
While I don't necessarily like all these rediculous genre's floating around, if somebody tells me that Band Y plays War Metal, then I already have a picture in my head of what they're probably going to sound like. If somebody says Band Y plays Black Metal, then that could be a million different things. Genre's can be useful in a broad sense...and a FAQ of sorts to call out useless sub-genre's like Stompcore and Deathpunk could not only be fun, but enlightening to others unfamiliar with such shit.
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 13:14:51 GMT -5
stompcore and deathpunk = things to talk about if you want people to think you're a moron
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Post by DerekRIHC on Apr 6, 2005 13:25:38 GMT -5
I hate the excessive subdivisions going on... I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the whole scene is so divided into clicks now. For instance, even if a grindcore band sounds the same as a fastcore band, some people won't listen to one because "it's not my thing, I don't listen to grindcore". Realistically, to the people who care about the MUSIC, labels are as irrelevant as what kinds of clothes someone wears. Although, I agree there are definitely some distinctions between the titles, because when asked to label my own band, it gets tough. We know it's not thrash, we know it's not grind, we wouldn't consider it just hardcore... so we just say "we play fast"  I think that the vocals alone set us into a different direction than a lot of the common titles, because they aren't as deep and thrashy as most bands with a similar sound would typically use. So sometimes it boils down to just one small aspect of the music, and it's when people start nitpicking like that when we find ourselves drowning in labels that really serve hardly any purpose. I mean, honestly, is it easier to say "oh these guys are moshcore, that means they have breakdowns" just to say "hey, this band has breakdowns"  |
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 13:28:22 GMT -5
i'm about to have a nervous breakdown, my head really hurts
ps third death = skatepunk!
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Post by DerekRIHC on Apr 6, 2005 13:30:59 GMT -5
Well, what happens when our songs are focused less lyrically on skateboarding, and branch off to cover other topics (our newer stuff)? And how come it's skatepunk, and not skatecore? (Now I'm just giving you a hardtime) EDIT: Also, Carry The Torch was basically the same band as Third Death... Dan and Buddy were the backbone, and it had a similar sound. But I have a feeling that because of Matt's vocals and the scene that Matt is more closely related to, it would have gotten a very different label. |
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Post by sc00ts on Apr 6, 2005 13:37:43 GMT -5
pornographic skateska kielbasa core
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Post by Shevy on Apr 6, 2005 14:26:52 GMT -5
Odious Sanction refer to themselves as Stompcore. To this day I have no clue what the fuck stompcore is. EDIT: Just for the hell of it, I Googled "what is stompcore?" and came up with this interview with Kitchen Knife Conspiracy. Oddly enough I got an E-mail from one of them a while ago where they were talking about how rad their band was and shit and asked if we could review their CD. I agreed and gave them my address. Still haven't gotten that CD... And if you don't feel like reading that interview (it is pretty bad), they basically call Stompcore a mix of more-hardcore-than-death-metal. Fucking wow.
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Post by dangerzone on Apr 6, 2005 15:21:47 GMT -5
ITS ALL BOLLOCKS.
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I think that the vocals alone set us into a different direction than a lot of the common titles, because they aren't as deep and thrashy as most bands with a similar sound would typically use. So sometimes it boils down to just one small aspect of the music, and it's when people start nitpicking like that when we find ourselves drowning in labels that really serve hardly any purpose. I mean, honestly, is it easier to say "oh these guys are moshcore, that means they have breakdowns" just to say "hey, this band has breakdowns" 