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Post by Shevy on Sept 10, 2004 15:29:24 GMT -5
www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=16194The Iron Maiden nerds got a hold of Horatio's review of Fear Of The Dark... Little do those plebes know that every peice of hate mail I get is going to be forwarded to their ISP along with an archive of the thread asking everybody to spam the shit out of my E-Mail.
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Post by dangerzone on Sept 11, 2004 13:54:19 GMT -5
THIS STUFF IS CLASSIC, THANKS FOR POSTING THAT.
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Post by 1:( on Sept 11, 2004 14:04:39 GMT -5
You know, they made a point...half the songs on the album sucks, but it still gets an A? That doesn't make any sense.
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Post by dangerzone on Sept 11, 2004 14:15:11 GMT -5
NO ONE GETS IT. THE REASON I GAVE THEM AN A AFTER BASHING THEM IS BECAUSE OF THE MEMORIES THEY HOLD FOR ME. LIKE I SAID 'UTTER GARBAGE HAS NEEVR BEEN SO GOOD'. SO WHILE THE SONGS ARE CRAP, THEY'RE SO BAD THEY'RE GOOD. THIS WAS ONE OF HORATIO'S FIRST METAL ALBUMS, SO I STILL HOLD IT DEAR.
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Post by unclemeat on Sept 11, 2004 15:41:37 GMT -5
Did that really go on for 5 pages?
Fucking geeks
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Post by Shevy on Sept 11, 2004 20:24:21 GMT -5
I took it as sarcasm. I didn't realize he really thinks that album is worth an A. Sorry, but I thought Fear Of The Dark was crap with a few small exceptions.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Hardcore Iron Maiden fans + any remote possibility of being a cool individual = impossible.
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Post by dangerzone on Sept 11, 2004 22:17:10 GMT -5
I WAS BEING SARCASTIC, SHEV IS RIGHT. THIS FACT APPEARS TO HAVE ELUDED THOSE SIMPLETONS. FEAR OF THE DARK IS AN ATROCITY, ONE OF METALS WORST. I HAVE CONFUSED THEM.
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Post by GoatFace on Sept 13, 2004 19:41:27 GMT -5
Hi, I'm GoatFace from the Iron Maiden board.  Though I don't represent anyone other than myself, I do apologies for the behavior shown on the Maiden BB. It's funny, amongst ourselves we bicker and fight and flame each other (as well as critisize Maiden) all the time, but when a non BB member slags Maiden, then I reckon we band together. Good intentions, but misdirected. Having said that, the replies in this thread here are on the same level of maturity as is shown in the Maiden BB, so both parties are found "guilty".  As for the FotD review... Yeah, I'm confused... Confused as to who wrote the review... Horatio or dangerzone? Or is it the same person? My conclusion is it's the same person but I'll use Heratio just in case. (As to being even more confused, referring to oneself in the first person is just too Seinfeldish. "Jimmy's down! Jimmy's new in town! George likes his chicken spicey!" ) After reading this thread, it is obvious that the review was written in a sarcastic nature. However, it isn't totally clear to the reader at first, and has even confused some of your finest "kicked in the face" members. Guess the Maiden BB doesn't have a monopoly in simpletons, eh?  In general, Horatio, you contradict yourself a few times and even caught yourself once with the Como Estas Amigos comments. Confused is as confused does. Your FotD review is not really fair and impartial. A review should be written without bias as best as possible and this is obviously not the case. At least you are honest though. Another thing that causes conflict is your ranking of Virtual XI and the songs within. It is the general concensus of Maiden fans that VXI is Maiden's worst album. By far. Sure, there are some oddball fans who love it, but I'm talking generalities here. So when you rank it a B+, and rank repetitive, dull, poor quality songs such as Angle and the Gambler, Don't Look to the Eyes of Stranger, etc. with high marks, it tends to really confuse the Maiden fans. Come on, When Two Worlds Collide is lyrically one the worst songs in Maiden's collection, let alone in metal, yet you rank it a B?  At the same time not giving Hallowed by thy Name the credit it deserves? (A+) Welp, it throws us for a loop. We're simpletons, remember? On the other hand, without controversy your reviews would get lost in a sea of wannabe Rolling Stone reviewers. Mission accomplished. From a web page named "kicked in the face" it appears you got what you wanted from the Maiden BB. Quite your bitchin'. ;D Horatio, thank God you ranked Rust In Peace an A, or else there'd really be a pork-storm! -GoatFace P.S. FotD, while not Maiden's strongest, does have some quality moments. Remove 4 or 5 songs and people would have a totally different outlook. |
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Post by 1:( on Sept 13, 2004 21:05:04 GMT -5
I don't have any opinion on Iron Maiden, I haven't heard any of their stuff or anything, but it seems like you're trying to base your entire argument on opinion to make it look like a fact. You were reasonable in your approach, but still seemed unlikely to grasp the fact that people have different opinions. Just because you think one song is the best thing they've written doesn't mean someone else will. You don't look too good with an argument like "This song deserves an A+ but you gave it a B? Where's the justice?"
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Post by GoatFace on Sept 13, 2004 22:06:29 GMT -5
I understand the difference between fact and opinion. Obviously any music review is going to be predominately opinion. But I can state as almost certain facts the following: -It is general opinion among Maiden fans that VXI is Maiden's worst album. -Hallowed be thy Name is regarded as Maiden's best song. (Though I personally think Revelations is a challenger.) Obviously I have no hard data to claim these as absolute facts, but if I'm confident enough to claim them as such. In other words, if it were possible to take a poll that included every single Maiden fan on the planet, I'd bet that the majority of them would list Hallowed be thy Name as Maiden's best song. A fact derived from an average of opinions, if you will. That's where I'm coming from. Or, instead of going through the hassle of taking a poll, you could just ask me and I'll tell you the facts. I think what got the Maiden BBers all fired up was Horatio's outlandish opinions. Nothing wrong with outlandish opinions, it's sometimes better than reading the same old review time and time again where everyone agrees. However, if too outlandish, then it begs the question of sincerity which may be Horatio's goal, I don't know. Sarcasm noted on the FotD review. Besides, look how much traffic the Maiden BB thread brought to KITF. I bet y'all raked in 20 or even 30 extra hits the last couple days! I'm also horrified that you haven't heard any Iron Maiden. If you want advice on where to start with Maiden, don't ask Horatio. Start with NotB and work in chronological order, skipping TXF and VXI. That's the best way to be introduced to Maiden, and that's a fact! -GoatFace |
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Post by 1:( on Sept 13, 2004 22:31:46 GMT -5
I'm also horrified that you haven't heard any Iron Maiden. If you want advice on where to start with Maiden, don't ask Horatio. Start with NotB and work in chronological order, skipping TXF and VXI. That's the best way to be introduced to Maiden, and that's a fact! -GoatFace Well, this may be a site that would be predominantly dedicated to metal, but we try to cover all kinds of musical ground here. A lot of stuff you'll see from me is thrash, grind, hardcore crap. I'm not saying I haven't heard Iron Maiden as a whole, but the only thing I could remember by them is Arch Enemy's cover of Aces High. |
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Post by Shevy on Sept 14, 2004 4:50:44 GMT -5
Goatface, I must confess. I didn't expect anything from the Iron Maiden board except a bunch of kids flooding the place with profanity and poor spelling. Your reply to the topic has been a very welcome surprise. In all honesty, I hope you decide to stick around and shoot the shit with us some. None the less, I wanted to reply to a few things you have said.
Kind of funny how you mentioned that. After following that thread for a few days, I pictured a colony of bees doing their little society thing...until somebody threw a rock at the hive and then everybody started running around confused and angry.
The maturity level of this thread is nothing compared to people posting my E-Mail address on a public message board and encouraging people to spam the shit out of it. We never wished death on any of you guys, either. We simply referred to you as nerds, geeks, etc. Honesty, I doubt that's very far from the truth.
I have yet to meet a person wearing an Iron Maiden T-shirt that I would want to be seen in public with.
Yes, it's the same person.
On every message board dangerzone posts on for as long as I can remember (I think I ran into him roughly four years ago), he's always typed in caps and refers to himself in the first person. In all actuality, he's a very intelligent guy with a complex sense of humor. I can't speak for him, but I assume he just does this because he considers it funny and bases it around other people's reactions.
I'm not sure what you are referring to there, but I'm sure Horatio could explain.
As for the monopoly of simpletons, in five pages of replies, I didn't see one post considering the possibilty of sarcasm. Not everybody gets the joke, I can appreciate that, but I certainly didn't think the review would fool an entire board of Iron Maiden fans.
How reviews should be written, and how we actually write them are two different things. We're not English majors and we didn't study music theory in college. We're all just fans of the music dedicated enough to share our opinions on this site.
That's what I dig about Horatio's style. He doesn't care what other people think of something. He looks at everything with an open mind, and makes a decision based on his own values.
Hmmm...well, we're not necessarily trying to be controversial as much as we're just trying to tell it how it is. If we were going for the controversial approach, we would fill our reviews with racist slurs and hardcore profanity.
Ha ha! What is it you think we want?
My personal favorite, as well.
I beg to differ. I liked a total of three songs from this album. Should I ever review this someday, I'm going to be a lot harder on it than Horatio was.
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Post by sc00ts on Sept 14, 2004 6:39:03 GMT -5
Lamp: you've never heard MAIDEN?  Goatface: people think Hallowed Be Thy Name is the best Maiden song? You guys need to dust off your Dianno-era albums again, pretty much anything on IM or Killers smokes HBTN. |
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Post by GoatFace on Sept 14, 2004 9:00:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Shevy. And yes, I did toss in a few sarcastic comments. When in Rome... If you aren't a Seinfeld fan, then you won't understand the "speaking in first person" jokes. Great Seinfeld episode. The angry beehive analogy is perfect! Sc00ts, The Paul years were great, but was only a springboard to the might Bruce-era. Remember Tomorrow, Strange World, Phantom of the Opera, Wrathchild, Murders in the Rue Morgue, Another Live... classics. But none can touch the epic Hallowed! The sands of time for me are running low..
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Post by oRg on Sept 16, 2004 17:10:38 GMT -5
I have to agree with scoots on this one. It's not their best song IMO. I say Cradle of Filth did a better job of covering it then Iron Maiden did of making it. I would have to say though about the NotB album that it's definitely a must have. The two songs that really stand out to me are "The Number of the Beast" and "Run to the Hills". FotD does pretty much suck though.
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Post by Shevy on Sept 17, 2004 3:52:46 GMT -5
Have you heard Solitude Aeturnus' cover of Hallowed Be Thy Name? Absolutely amazing.
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Post by oRg on Sept 20, 2004 10:04:22 GMT -5
No I haven't but I will check it out. Thanx for letting me know.
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At the same time not giving Hallowed by thy Name the credit it deserves? (A+) Welp, it throws us for a loop. We're simpletons, remember?